Simple solution, don't go to Jita during weekend afternoon/evening, since everyone and their dog knows that there'll be a queue.

You know, I feel your pain. Just imagine, though! What if there were a way to have your things moved around by another player when you don't have the time or capacity to do so, and have them insured by some form of collateral payment if the shipment fails?

That would be fantastic!

Going to F&I to suggest this ground breaking idea!

That's pretty much what OP wants to do. He wants to play Route 66 Online, where the Good Buddy Convoy always gets their shipment in on time.

What he's actually playing is EVE Online, where Jita Traffic Control cockblocks you, and loitering on the gate makes you fodder for people who want your stuff.

Indeed.

He should likely take his subscription dollars to them, then, shouldn't he?

That's a pretty silly suggestion. Why are you making it?

That's cool. I'll look like a bit of a '****' and you can continue looking like a petulant child in the midst of a temper tantrum.

I haven't told anyone to quit playing. As an aside and to the contrary, I have now twice told OP how to play better. What I did do was suggest that his money may be better spent elsewhere if this game makes him so unhappy. The fact that he appears to be wanting to play a different game than this one leads me to the logical conclusion that he might be better served by playing that other game, whatever it happens to be.

It IS consistent. He just doesn't want to acknowledge that. They all work the same way. When they hit system cap during Battle for Caldari Prime, it did the same thing.

It works the same way across the galaxy, it's not one, it's all of them.

And that means the solution is still the same. Go elsewhere.

Both are the results of players making the choice to be there. Just like with Caldari Prime, you know full well when you're going there that the possibility exists. By choosing to sell or buy there instead of, you know, one of the other 4 trade hubs, you have made your choice.

Yeah, traders aren't a big part of Jita gate traffic at all, silly me.

Is it Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday? If yes, Jita is full.

People haul stuff to Jita... to *not* sell it? Just to sit there and look at how pretty it is in their cargo bay?

Ok.

The reason that the gates are locked is because lots of people jump in and out them. It's the highest trafficked system in the game.

The reason for that is because of trade.

The trading is the root cause of the gate locks.

That's it. If it bothers you, too damn bad. Go elsewhere, or deal with it like the rest of the autopiloting halfwits.

To further improve upon the admiral's point, use DotLan.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Jita/stats

An intelligent man can look at that, and figure out what Jita's peak times are. I've mentioned before, that if you play EVE Online and you don't use DotLan, then you stand a pretty good chance of having gone full ******.

They should put it up on one of those billboards nobody reads.

There's nothing wrong with what's going on.

It's much the same as crying about TiDi. If there were a better solution, it would be there by now. That one, single system already uses 1/4th of their system reinforcement, do you expect more?

All this trying to justify not going elsewhere, truly baffling the lengths to which some will go to be lazy.

You can get a pretty good idea of whether you will or not with some fairly basic tools.

If you want more than that, get devhacks.

The fact of the matter is, that if you choose Jita, that's a risk you get to deal with. And it certainly is not enough of a problem that we have to make autopiloting halfwits completely invincible because they can't be assed to click the gate button more than once.

Being able to get in isn't the same as it being full. People are always jumping out / logging off, so a little patience and you can get in no matter how busy it is.

You can't tell if undocking is going to end badly for you or not, either. Let's nerf that. Idc how.

Also, you don't want to improve the game. You want to buff your playstyle, at the expense of someone else's. At least that's what the OP wants, anyway.

At least have the moral courage to call a spade a spade.

If people just stopped jumping into and out of Jita, there would be no problem. But good luck trying to get anyone to stop doing it, They will, like you, demand changes and wonder why they can't get in. Then, in all their intellectual glory, they'll come here and pound their impotent fists on the table because it's got to be CCP's fault.

Good news: they already work.

You can't really be this dense...

Do you not understand why you didn't jump?

Working as intended.

You're not suggesting an improvement. Neither is the OP.

Should we have this for every system or just Jita?

Your first post was you claiming that you should be able to find out with certainty whether or not you would be able to jump, before you got on the same grid as the gate.

Which is, again, not an improvement. It's just asinine to suggest that you should get such absolute knowledge without having to do anything for it.

Other than that, all you've done is white knight for the OP, who is undoubtedly a troll. Agreeing with him is, again, not an improvement to the game. It's suggesting a buff to the OP's playstyle at the expense of others.

Doesn't change the fact that the gates are working GÇö as intended, and as expected GÇö and that any claim otherwise is wilfully ignorant.

So, you're suggesting that, before anyone, anywhere, warps to any gate, that the client pings the server to see if the gate is locked or not? And that this information be available on demand, yes?

If so, why not just put the entire game into 10% TiDi and call it a day, because that would triple the server load instantly. You are literally asking CCP to DDOS themselves.

This is why people with "suggestions" need to shut the **** up. Because they can't see past their own nose, see past their cute little problem into how the game really works, and why.

Do you have any idea how much additional processing on single cores a query like that would take?

You're asking CCP to move mountains with a spoon.

And the reason you're asking them to do so is because you CBA to go somewhere else.

I've never seen anything so ill conceived and dumb.

Yes you have. Multiple times.

You pretty much already can.

You've specifically said that you want this information before you get on the same grid as the gate.

Or are you just suggesting they wave their magic wands and make it so that isn't a massive drag on the server? I mean, if your suggestion has merit and you aren't just stomping your foot with your lower lip sticking out, then you have a concrete idea, right?

This mechanic already exists. If you warp to the Jita gate in Perimeter and the Jita system is full, you get a popup that says, "Jump Prohibited" because the system is full.

Working as intended. I'm so glad we got that sorted.

So claiming that the system that lets you jump in isn't working as intended isn't the same as claiming that the system isn't working as intended?

Yes you have. Multiple times. Stop lying. You can also stop lying about the need for your supposed solution GÇö it's already in the game.

You're wrong, because any feasible way for such a thing to exist, would cause more problems than it solves.

And since it would be trying to solve something that isn't actually a problem (autopiloting afk morons getting ganked on a locked gate), then it's not even worth consideration.

I honestly consider it insulting that Jita is wasting one of the cores that could be used for fleet fights. One of those is a big new player and recruitment draw. One of them is utterly boring.

So here's my solution to your "problem". Take Jita off the supernode entirely, FORCE people to shop elsewhere, and spread things around highsec.

Best part is, it's more technologically feasible than anything you're saying in this thread.

My fix for the problem is going somewhere else. The people in Jita are the problem, not the gates. We've been over this.

How is it terrible that we have all the information we need at our fingertip; that it's trivially easy to get in even during congested times; that we have plenty of functionality that entirely removes the need to get in and out?

Nothing in the original post has merit.

Literally nothing.

So it's not actually terrible at all then GÇö the problem is that people because they're sloppy, which is as it should be. Well, that's sorted, I suppose.

I noticed.
I gave you a proper response anyway, since I'm a kind and gentle person like that.

The OP was about the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker just to cover for the fact that the OP had been sloppy and failed to use the information and mechanics at his disposal. This is, of course, not a problem, but rather the way it should be. Less sloppiness on hiss part would have resulted in less death.

So instead you make another childish, petulant reply. Excellent work.

So you didn't read it, I take it. Let me quote it for you:SoGǪ the OP was about the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker

That's not a suitable solution to the issue.

GǪwhich is an issue that only arises out of sloppiness. To solve this non-issue, he suggests the implementation of a hideously idiotic gamebreaker.

Except that he's not stuck. He could leave and try again later. If he sits there long enough to get ganked, it's his own fault.

Does it arise through voodoo, Dave?

Do we hold a dark ritual and summon the avatar of Gatethulhu to strike down innocent industrialists?

So how does anyone get stuck on the gate if it he doesn't ignore all the signs showing that it would happen and fails to use the numerous mechanics to work around it? It's all there. There is no reason to get stuck anywhere other than pure sloppiness.

Anyone with the other half of the brain doesn't go to Jita on a Sunday and expect instant entry.

Sure you can. Just look at the map and act accordingly. Just scan the gate and act accordingly. Just ask in local and act accordingly. Hell, just look in local and act accordingly. If we add in the gankers, just check your online list and act accordingly.

Or (to be really creative) skip going into Jita altogether and use all the mechanics in place to do what you need to do at a distance.

Just don't be sloppy and just blindly warp to the gate because that sloppiness is the only reason you'll ever get stuck there.

We already CAN improve the system. Stop going to Jita. If more people stop going to Jita, Jita will stop sucking, will stop being capped, will stop being locked.

You have the power Dave Stark - go forth now and do long division!

It tells you more than enough not to be stuck on the gate. GÇ£ProblemGÇ¥ solved. Solution: don't be sloppy.

There isn't a better server Dave. Even if there were, we would just hit the cap again and you'd be back here bitching about it again. Welcome to Uselessness - Population: Dave Stark's solution.

And people don't have to avoid parts of the game. They can still go to Jita but they have to account for the cap. If they are not accounting for the cap then they are, in the words of Tippia, just being sloppy.

Sure it does, unless you're sloppy. You just gave lots of excuses for refusing to use the many many tools at your disposal.

Stop being obstinate and put in some effort, and the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ goes away entirely.

GǪaside from improving the ability to get goods in and out of Jita.

Of course you can. Don't tell me you're that ignorant of game mechanicsGǪ please!

Like so or so, according to need.

GǪand I showed you: like so or so, according to need.

This lets you get things in and out of Jita without being in Jita. Your refusal to use the mechanics at hand is your problem, not a problem with the game.

Then always assume that on the weekends, during primetime, the gates will be locked ALWAYS. Because they are locked ALWAYS.

It's no different than assuming there is a gate camp on the other side of the gate into LowSec. So you act accordingly.
It's no different than assuming there is an Interdiction Bubble at that gate in Null. So you act accordingly.

ALWAYS assume that on the weekends, during American and European primetime, those gates are going to be locked and act accordingly. Thus is the problem solved.

No fancy new hardware, no more hamsters, no voodoo. Just smart assumptions.